Duke Ellington & Count Basie - First Time ! The Count Meets The Duke ( Solid Orange / Solid White Vinyl )

Duke Ellington & Count Basie - First Time ! The Count Meets The Duke ( Solid Orange / Solid White Vinyl )

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This is an album by American pianists, composers & bandleaders Duke Ellington and Count Basie with their combined Orchestras recorded in 1961. On stereo releases of the album, Basie's band is featured on the left channel & Ellington's on the right.

Big band jazz fans should really go for this album. A host of jazz stars are included in the full complement of both bands which are pitted against one another. The two leaders trade piano solos of the tracks and the likes of Paul Gonsalves, Johnny Hodges, Frank Wess, Willie Cook and Budd Johnson hook up in instrumental duels. The set makes for swinging listening with representative tunes from both bands’ books ( Take the “A” Trainand Jumpin’ at the Woodside are typical ) included. Program has pace and drive and should be one to watch.

 

American Record Guide
 
Review by Don Heckman : August, 1962
 
It always scares me a little when two outstanding orchestras are combined for a recording. In a sense, it’s like combining the 4th of July and Labor Day—it might make a helluva weekend but they’re better as separate holidays. While I admire the obvious achievements of The Count Meets the Duke ( Columbia CS-8515 ), wherein the orchestras of Duke Ellington and Count Basie are combined for a gigantic swing session, I have the feeling that there would have been more action in single LPs along the same lines by the Duke and the Count individually. The fact that this combined album comes off as well as it does, that the two bands at times do truly get rocking together, is a real tribute to the various arrangers and to the superb skills of Duke, Count, and their sidemen. To me the best tracks are Jumping at the Woodside, Take the “A” Train, and Segue in C.
 
HiFi / Stereo Review
 
Review by Nat Hentoff : June, 1962
 
Interest: Provocative mixture
 
Performance: Mutually appreciative
 
Recording: First-rate
 
Stereo Quality: Very good

This first meeting of the combined Basie and Ellington bands has fortunately not been conceived pugilistically. There is a welcome minimum of competitive tension, although there are moments, as in the opening and closing tracks, of gratuitous blasting. Most of the set, however, is relaxed and absorbing within its limitations.

The main limitation stems from the fact that the entire album was recorded in one session without any rehearsal. Accordingly, there was not time for the kind of careful scoring and preparation that could have taken fuller advantage of the different styles and textural colorings of each band. A successful balance between Ellington’s harmonic subtlety and Basie’s riff-built simplicity is achieved in places, especially the slow Segue in C, in which soloists and sections from the two orchestras are intriguingly juxtaposed. That one track and the following number, B D B, warrant adding the album to a jazz collection.

The other limitation is that the soloists are uneven, and even the better contributions are usually too short. Both drummers, moreover, are stolid in the medium-and up-tempo numbers. Nonetheless, there are passages of sharply contrasting expert solo work, and the occasional dialogues between the two leaders are pointed and witty. Columbia’s sound engineers have balanced the parallel forces with taste and a great deal of acсuгасу.

 
High Fidelity
Review by John S. Wilson : May, 1962
 
The mere assemblage of as many good jazz musicians as are included in the Basie and Ellington bands was assurance enough that something interesting was bound to happen in this encounter. And although nothing on the disc measures up to what either band can do on its own, there are some fine moments—several walloping ensembles and stirring solos from both sides. The selections are split equally between the repertoires of the Count and the Duke. Both bands play most of the time, but each rhythm section is usually heard only on the pieces from its own hook. Two strong impressions emerge from this get-together. One is the potent position that trombonist Lawrence Brown his taken over in Ellington’s band. Once considered mostly as a sweetly singing Ellingtonian voice, he is the most powerful and personal of the Ellington soloists heard here. The other impression—certainly not a new one—is the great value of Basie’s guitarist. Freddie Green, in a rhythm section. Hearing him play with Ellington’s rhythm section, one realizes how much lightness and swinging zest a good rhythm guitarist could bring to the Duke’s band.
 
Musical America
 
Review by Marshall W. Stearns : June, 1962
 
This is the exact recording for which stereo should have been invented: two great bands swapping tunes while their greatly-talented leaders exchange solos and even phrases on each tune. In general, the bands alternate, sometimes they merge partly and, for a finale, they play together. The indispensable Basie guitarist, Freddie Green, plays throughout ( sometimes, alas, inaudibly ) and his addition to the Ellington rhythm section improves it noticeably.

The fun begins when Ellington and Basie take turns on solos and then back up other soloists together. They never get in each other’s way, but they comment on each other, repeating a phrase, twisting it slightly and occasionally throwing in entire passages in each other’s style. That’s when you need stereo to follow the rare and skillful kidding. It’s a jazz conversation between two giants, charged with musical repartee and backed by two of the finest bands in the land.

San Francisco Examiner
 
Review by John Bryan:05/27/1962

THIS is the kind of meeting of which dreams are made … Count Basie on one piano, Duke Ellington on another, their combined 30 pieces wailing together like a heavenly jazz choir. The only description that fits is “too much!”

Most of the tunes are Ellington’s but, being the Duke’s, they are part of the basic language of jazz and
the Count and his men have long been familiar with them. There is no rivalry between these two great remaining big bands. The two pianos seem to be conversing. Lawrence Brown’s sax wails awhile and is answered by Johnny Hodges. Cat Anderson and Thad Jones exchange trumpet pleasantries. It could well be one band instead of two.

Saturday Review
 
Review by Wilder Hobson : May 26, 1962 : The Curse of Bigness
 
Years of listening to jazz records have made me what may be called a small-band man. That is to say, most of the things I have valued in the music have come out of the buoyancy, the rapport, the fire of spontaneity that is possible among, groups not exceeding, say, seven or eight players. Larger bands, customarily devoted less to improvising and more to orchestration, tend to be heavier in feeling and to lose group enthusiasm in striving for orchestral polish. The best big bands that I have known very well-Fletcher Henderson’s of the late Twenties, Duke Ellington’s of the Thirties, and Count Basie’s of the middle and late Thirties-have accomplished something like a miracle in combining small-band lightness and fervor with big-band advantages. And what are the big-band advantages? They are, of course, increased power and dynamic contrast, the possibility of richer musical textures and colors, of more elaborate compositional designs.

But very few large jazz bands, even with these assets, have produced music which approaches in value the works of the best small combinations, from Louis Armstrong’s early bands to Miles Davis’ recent quintets. The big-band advantages, after all, have their pit-falls. Power and dynamic contrast are more or less relative-in this respect, a five-piece band can knock your hat off. As for richness of musical texture and color, these can speedily become a great resplendent bore if they are not part of some strong compositional design. And jazz composition has so far seldom been sturdy enough to support the sumptuous robes it has often been asked to wear. Most of the big power bands of the Swing Era, and their few successors, sound more or less blasty, heavy, and mechanical, and their ventures into gorgeous drapery are apt to be flagrant cases of musical overdressing. And so, as I say, I continually revert to the music of the small bands, ardent, supple, simply attired. So far as I am concerned, it might be said that the “chamber music” of jazz is vastly superior to its “symphonic music.” have nothing but good wishes for its “symphonic” men, but in jazz, as in music generally, I find the chamber intimacy the prime glory of the art.

These thoughts arise upon listening to some of the new big-band discs, of widely different styles. Following the Morgan-Guaranty and Chase-Manhattan mergers, we now have a temporary Ellington-Basie alliance. In The Count Meets The Duke, the two most famous and durable big bands in the nation come together for the first time on wax ( Columbia CL 1715 ). The pow-pow is peaceful, rather than a battle of music, the two outfits combining into an orchestra of thirty men, fourteen of whom take solos. They play numbers from the repertoire of each band. There is a certain amount of ponderosity; there are a few hectic tutti; there is none of the solo brilliance heard from these outfits in the past (such men as Johnny Hodges, Lester Young, and Buck Clayton come to mind). But there is a good deal of the stately, hieratic swinging which these priesthoods have made famous, especially in Segue in C by Basie’s saxophonist-flutist Frank Wess, and “BDB” by Ellington and his alter ego, Billy Strayhorn. Altogether it is a ritualistic occasion, and I find much of the ceremony enjoyable.